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« Reply #20 on: December 29, 2011, 11:45:09 PM »

The mindset during a competition is far different than the mindset of pubbing.

Implying this is pubbing? cant tell in the context or relation you said it in.
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« Reply #21 on: December 30, 2011, 12:15:01 AM »

This is more into the competition side. The fact that there's a prize means that people will be more competitive to get 1st.
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« Reply #22 on: December 30, 2011, 01:39:50 PM »

Just because there were no SPECIFIC rules established, doesn't mean that you have to CHEAT in order to win a prize. That should've just been common sense. And the fact that people were even LYING to me is just pretty bad.. Like when I asked Mutank what the hell he was doing, he said something like "Oh, I'm just building up metal so I don't have to get anymore later on." He must've thought that I was some dumbass. :/
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« Reply #23 on: December 30, 2011, 02:08:12 PM »

Except that it's not cheating. The objective was to obtain the most points, and I was doing it in the most efficient way possible. Until I'm told that it's wrong, how am I supposed to know? More so, your stats log tells you NOTHING about the gameplay.

If you want me to contribute more to the team, then you have to know when the the sentries were being placed and destroyed in the gameplay, and you can't prove that unless you have demos.

 Sure. Before, I was just sitting in a room placing and destroying, however that wasn't every exciting in the least. I found a way to use the same method while still being able to put up a strong defense or offense. Mini sentries only have 100hp, and can be placed quickly and destroyed quickly as well. Placing and destroying is a common mindgame, and you ban me AFTER I start helping out the team? Ridiculous.

Any time I was straight up placing and destroying sentries was during setup where it wasn't even helpful in the slightest. May as well hit up some points if nobody's going to be shot at by my sentries.... It's seriously the basic gunslinger metagame.

I agree with you, now that I'm aware that you don't want me using engineer to farm points. However, a ban without warning and eliminating me from a contest I was actually close to winning is way beyond what I would expect admins to be doing. Not to mention some other examples where Killjoy was just trolling.

You ban me, and THEN tell people that they can be banned for using the exploit?
http://stats.puggaming.net/hlstats.php?mode=chat&game=tf&page=2

A simple question like "where is the server located?" is what I asked. I was wondering where it was since I was getting some pretty decent ping. However, Killjoy replies with "asia", "asianpeople have good net", even though he also says "dude i own the server i know where its at.". I ran a whois after to realize that the server was based in Chicago, but I didn't appreciate his joking in the slightest, as it was a harmless question with a genuine curiosity behind it.
http://stats.puggaming.net/hlstats.php?mode=chat&game=tf&page=5

I also didn't appreciate obviously offensive statements, "stacy is such a fag all in favor?! lol", or "get the gay black man", or when Missycdeanna says something as small as "sara", Killjoy follows up with "is gay".
http://stats.puggaming.net/hlstats.php?mode=chat&game=tf&page=5

This is a prime example of my defense. Isn't it common sense that you shouldn't be making such statements? Obviously our common sense differs. However, you have admin, so you can punish me for it with an un-warned permaban.

It's almost like you're not allowing it because our mindsets are different. But, to be honest, I think Killjoy's behavior as an admin and even founder of PugGaming is offsetting.

Your ban is unjustified. Removing points would be justified, or removing EVERYBODY'S ability to gain points from engineer would be justified, but banning the three people that weren't the only people farming points is still something I can't even fathom why you did without haste.

I still request an unban with a lowered or reset score. I request you also unban Mutank and Agentbravojr, who had no idea what was coming their way. Something like aimbots, wallhacks, and speedhacks are something that's considered common sense. What you banned me for is so borderline on common sense. How were we supposed to know?
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« Reply #24 on: December 30, 2011, 02:39:50 PM »

Except that it's not cheating. The objective was to obtain the most points, and I was doing it in the most efficient way possible. Until I'm told that it's wrong, how am I supposed to know? More so, your stats log tells you NOTHING about the gameplay.

If you want me to contribute more to the team, then you have to know when the the sentries were being placed and destroyed in the gameplay, and you can't prove that unless you have demos.

 Sure. Before, I was just sitting in a room placing and destroying, however that wasn't every exciting in the least. I found a way to use the same method while still being able to put up a strong defense or offense. Mini sentries only have 100hp, and can be placed quickly and destroyed quickly as well. Placing and destroying is a common mindgame, and you ban me AFTER I start helping out the team? Ridiculous.

Any time I was straight up placing and destroying sentries was during setup where it wasn't even helpful in the slightest. May as well hit up some points if nobody's going to be shot at by my sentries.... It's seriously the basic gunslinger metagame.

I agree with you, now that I'm aware that you don't want me using engineer to farm points. However, a ban without warning and eliminating me from a contest I was actually close to winning is way beyond what I would expect admins to be doing. Not to mention some other examples where Killjoy was just trolling.

You ban me, and THEN tell people that they can be banned for using the exploit?
http://stats.puggaming.net/hlstats.php?mode=chat&game=tf&page=2

A simple question like "where is the server located?" is what I asked. I was wondering where it was since I was getting some pretty decent ping. However, Killjoy replies with "asia", "asianpeople have good net", even though he also says "dude i own the server i know where its at.". I ran a whois after to realize that the server was based in Chicago, but I didn't appreciate his joking in the slightest, as it was a harmless question with a genuine curiosity behind it.
http://stats.puggaming.net/hlstats.php?mode=chat&game=tf&page=5

I also didn't appreciate obviously offensive statements, "stacy is such a fag all in favor?! lol", or "get the gay black man", or when Missycdeanna says something as small as "sara", Killjoy follows up with "is gay".
http://stats.puggaming.net/hlstats.php?mode=chat&game=tf&page=5

This is a prime example of my defense. Isn't it common sense that you shouldn't be making such statements? Obviously our common sense differs. However, you have admin, so you can punish me for it with an un-warned permaban.

It's almost like you're not allowing it because our mindsets are different. But, to be honest, I think Killjoy's behavior as an admin and even founder of PugGaming is offsetting.

Your ban is unjustified. Removing points would be justified, or removing EVERYBODY'S ability to gain points from engineer would be justified, but banning the three people that weren't the only people farming points is still something I can't even fathom why you did without haste.

I still request an unban with a lowered or reset score. I request you also unban Mutank and Agentbravojr, who had no idea what was coming their way. Something like aimbots, wallhacks, and speedhacks are something that's considered common sense. What you banned me for is so borderline on common sense. How were we supposed to know?



Rofl you do realize you are barking up the wrong tree?

I know sara have known her for years.. and her friend said her name so i replied back. .

Your ban will not be lifted. You are only making yourself look like a fool when you say such redic things. Not to mention if my statements offended you, you are more then welcome to go elsewhere.

I will give you kudos thoe for going out of your way to try and offend me with your utter statements about myself and how i banned you. Bottom line on the ban is i have the power to say and choose when i see someone using something to gain ranking over everyone else that is unfair to remove that person.

If you do not have the common sense to see something that gives you a clear advantage over everyone else in the server for ranking is not 'common sense to not know' then i dont know what to tell you. Clearly everyone on the server was not aware of this "Exploit" but the few who abused it.

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« Reply #25 on: December 30, 2011, 03:04:25 PM »

Well it looks like you're not changing your mind... I appreciate the giveaway though. You guys are extremely generous to be giving away such items. Good luck to anybody else in the running to win prizes.

Will this limit me from any future events?
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« Reply #26 on: December 30, 2011, 03:18:24 PM »

Well it looks like you're not changing your mind... I appreciate the giveaway though. You guys are extremely generous to be giving away such items. Good luck to anybody else in the running to win prizes.

Will this limit me from any future events?
No you are free to enter any of our events prolong the time you do play fair
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« Reply #27 on: December 30, 2011, 03:26:10 PM »

Removing engi's points is not justified at all.... That is where they can get their points, if that were to be taken away, you might as well as take away medics points for ubercharge, etc.... I beg to differ about how it is borderline common sense.  You sit there and you know it's putting you ahead and you're not technically PLAYING the game.  

Trying to turn it on Killjoy is stupid too... he is the one who runs the servers, pays for it all, and so on.  He is kidding, and the people playing should know that.  It isn't like he's going around calling people vulgarity, or anything like that...  The event he set up, that he paid for, that is free to people who want to (fairly) participate goes under his guidelines.  What he says goes, and it is fair that he does this.  It is unfair to other players, who are playing the game, to sit there and create points like that... :|
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« Reply #28 on: January 02, 2012, 04:18:19 PM »

Winners areee

TF2 New Years Event Winners!
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« Reply #29 on: January 02, 2012, 04:34:00 PM »

Stacy's mom has got it going on.
She's all I want and I've waited for so long
Stacy can't you see you're just not the girl for me
I know it might be wrong but I'm in love with stacy's mom

Fucking stacy's mom.  EVERYTIME I was killed by him or I killed him, I thought of this song -_-


ONTOPIC.  Congratulations to all the winners, and damn Platy trying to take all the prizes! Grin
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« Reply #30 on: January 02, 2012, 05:10:28 PM »

Your flawed HLstats system allowed agentbravojr to win a prize, but he was clearly banned. He competed with the LB tag, but entered the server with the PUG tag. You banned his LB profile name, but not his PUG name, and therefore he still had an entry into the raffle, whereas using Steam IDs would not allow him to simply rename his account. I made a video about this, close to when the contest started.



On the other hand, hello to stacys_mom for being an epic pubstar-spy, and OSU TERREH, for having his name mis-pronunciated by Killjoy like 10 times. xD
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« Reply #31 on: January 02, 2012, 05:38:06 PM »

Hahaha xDD
Funny that I won 3 times xD Told you I had better luck than you Killjoy. c:
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« Reply #32 on: January 02, 2012, 06:01:32 PM »

lol 26TH YES lol half my name is on the screen YAYAY Grin Btw great event and was very fun Congrats to all the winners and BOOHOOS to all the cheaters. Dont make killjoy get out his dual banhammers  Grin
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« Reply #33 on: January 02, 2012, 06:11:04 PM »

On the other hand, hello to stacys_mom for being an epic pubstar-spy, and OSU TERREH, for having his name mis-pronunciated by Killjoy like 10 times. xD

haha, you jellyy?


 stacys_mom's got spyskills.Sad

Your flawed HLstats system allowed agentbravojr to win a prize, but he was clearly banned. He competed with the LB tag, but entered the server with the PUG tag. You banned his LB profile name, but not his PUG name, and therefore he still had an entry into the raffle, whereas using Steam IDs would not allow him to simply rename his account. I made a video about this, close to when the contest started.

Also, please make another topic to discuss more about the event. Smiley (Would rather keep this one for general 'congrats' etc now!)

Hahaha xDD
Funny that I won 3 times xD Told you I had better luck than you Killjoy. c:

WHY YOU NO SHARE THE LUCK?Sad
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« Reply #34 on: January 02, 2012, 06:11:51 PM »

It was a lot of fun congrats to all the winners!!!!  Cheesy
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« Reply #35 on: January 02, 2012, 09:40:38 PM »

OSU Terreh didn't win. Johny Walker won.
Terreh was 30, not 31. Johny Walker was 31.
Check video again and you'll see.
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« Reply #36 on: January 03, 2012, 07:05:13 PM »

OSU Terreh didn't win. Johny Walker won.
Terreh was 30, not 31. Johny Walker was 31.
Check video again and you'll see.
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« Reply #37 on: January 03, 2012, 07:42:30 PM »

Hello, I'm sure some people have seen me around the tf2 server. I would like to thank PugGaming and Killjoy for putting up the event. I would like to try to contact Killjoy through steam if possible so we can do the prize stuff. It was fun playing with everyone on the server.
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« Reply #38 on: January 03, 2012, 11:46:47 PM »

Hello, I'm sure some people have seen me around the tf2 server. I would like to thank PugGaming and Killjoy for putting up the event. I would like to try to contact Killjoy through steam if possible so we can do the prize stuff. It was fun playing with everyone on the server.

Hello and thanks for being apart of it! It was fun! I will be contacting all the winners in the next 24 hours with information on claiming prizes!
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« Reply #39 on: January 04, 2012, 08:41:10 AM »

Hey guys! Iv'e won i think one of the Indie package! You can contact me on steam on Jeremy Clarkson - Baboon or in here! Thanks for setting up this event it was cool!
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