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« Reply #60 on: June 19, 2011, 11:50:24 AM »

ok an admin really needs to take action and make something clear to the other players in the community. Because no one wants to play plain sight for the tournament, i was told by cat that it was permisible for me to submit games that had bots that were set to medium. Me doing this however has raised the temper of jkilla to the point where I am being harrassed in team speak with pokes that say go jump off a cliff you cheating fuck. If this type of attitude is allowed to go unpunished you are going to cause your group to shrink untill all you have left is jkilla and people like him.
Yeah i dont think thats allowed. But still if KillJoy is gonna take action against this i think you will need some proof. :/
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« Reply #61 on: June 19, 2011, 12:10:50 PM »

I confirmed it with Killjoy. He says it's fine as long as it's on medium bots.
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« Reply #62 on: June 19, 2011, 12:30:08 PM »

ok an admin really needs to take action and make something clear to the other players in the community. Because no one wants to play plain sight for the tournament, i was told by cat that it was permisible for me to submit games that had bots that were set to medium. Me doing this however has raised the temper of jkilla to the point where I am being harrassed in team speak with pokes that say go jump off a cliff you cheating fuck. If this type of attitude is allowed to go unpunished you are going to cause your group to shrink untill all you have left is jkilla and people like him.
Yeah i dont think thats allowed. But still if KillJoy is gonna take action against this i think you will need some proof. :/
Well, according to Catherine, Killjoy said it was okay to use bots on Medium difficulty. Though, I'm pretty sure he wouldn't be okay with fighting only bots to win the tournament, like Surlan is doing. My image was there to partially poke fun at that whole bot thing. Now, part of why I hate the whole bot thing, and part of why jkilla got so mad, is because 6 of us had to go and deal with people for 3 hours, some of which were pretty good. People were rage quitting early on until it ended with just 3 of us. Then, a few hours later, un-publicly it is said that bots are okay, because this guy asked if he could use them. To boost up to 1st. All Killjoy said, apparently, was that the bots had to be on Medium. To this moment, Catherine hasn't announced anywhere that Medium bots are allowed. Now, Killjoy is excused clearly, because he is busy... But Catherine is running this in his place, and people deserve to know....

As for Surlan, a few points here:
1. You have 6 posts. 3 of which to enter an event, 3 of which were complaining and bashing Pug. You're only in Teamspeak when there is some form of an event going on. You admitted to just wanting to get the prize. Really?
2. You never took anything to Catherine, never Muted on TS, never Blocked on TS. Instead, you "fed the troll" calling him "noob" etc etc.
3. Your bots aren't on Medium... That screen I uploaded? Bots were on Medium. Most of the time, they repelled me. I died by them more than I'd like to admit. Your bot just died. Nothing more. The only time it killed me was when I was in the process of trying to kill someone. I know you're going to deny it, but you're pretty damn reluctant to prove otherwise when 3+ people are saying it isn't Medium... Pardon my French. Also, you created your own server when there's 3 dedicated servers with less latency and still have bots.. Suspicious?

Now, I try not to drag dirty laundry into a public area, but if people are going to whine without trying ways to solve it first, things need to be mentioned... Trust me, I'd much rather be talking to Killjoy on Steam over this than make a long-ass post, even if it meant being removed from Pug for my thoughts, opinions, and rants. Pardon my French again.
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« Reply #63 on: June 19, 2011, 01:08:14 PM »

Ok, then i understand. Tricky situation!
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« Reply #64 on: June 19, 2011, 01:24:10 PM »

ok an admin really needs to take action and make something clear to the other players in the community. Because no one wants to play plain sight for the tournament, i was told by cat that it was permisible for me to submit games that had bots that were set to medium. Me doing this however has raised the temper of jkilla to the point where I am being harrassed in team speak with pokes that say go jump off a cliff you cheating fuck. If this type of attitude is allowed to go unpunished you are going to cause your group to shrink untill all you have left is jkilla and people like him.
Yeah i dont think thats allowed. But still if KillJoy is gonna take action against this i think you will need some proof. :/
Well, according to Catherine, Killjoy said it was okay to use bots on Medium difficulty. Though, I'm pretty sure he wouldn't be okay with fighting only bots to win the tournament, like Surlan is doing. My image was there to partially poke fun at that whole bot thing. Now, part of why I hate the whole bot thing, and part of why jkilla got so mad, is because 6 of us had to go and deal with people for 3 hours, some of which were pretty good. People were rage quitting early on until it ended with just 3 of us. Then, a few hours later, un-publicly it is said that bots are okay, because this guy asked if he could use them. To boost up to 1st. All Killjoy said, apparently, was that the bots had to be on Medium. To this moment, Catherine hasn't announced anywhere that Medium bots are allowed. Now, Killjoy is excused clearly, because he is busy... But Catherine is running this in his place, and people deserve to know....

As for Surlan, a few points here:
1. You have 6 posts. 3 of which to enter an event, 3 of which were complaining and bashing Pug. You're only in Teamspeak when there is some form of an event going on. You admitted to just wanting to get the prize. Really?
2. You never took anything to Catherine, never Muted on TS, never Blocked on TS. Instead, you "fed the troll" calling him "noob" etc etc.
3. Your bots aren't on Medium... That screen I uploaded? Bots were on Medium. Most of the time, they repelled me. I died by them more than I'd like to admit. Your bot just died. Nothing more. The only time it killed me was when I was in the process of trying to kill someone. I know you're going to deny it, but you're pretty damn reluctant to prove otherwise when 3+ people are saying it isn't Medium... Pardon my French. Also, you created your own server when there's 3 dedicated servers with less latency and still have bots.. Suspicious?

Now, I try not to drag dirty laundry into a public area, but if people are going to whine without trying ways to solve it first, things need to be mentioned... Trust me, I'd much rather be talking to Killjoy on Steam over this than make a long-ass post, even if it meant being removed from Pug for my thoughts, opinions, and rants. Pardon my French again.
thanks for standing up for me supplice but i do have to say much of this is true but for saying what i did i will take any consequinces coming my way but hey you want to cheat ima flip XD but yea you really didnt have to make a "long ass post" on my behalf if surlan wants to cheat his way up to first i believe he should be punished but to end this i say thanks to you supplice and surlan quit being a noob get in one of the pre made pugt things n fight there and apperently there was one of your screen shots that your score was 3000 something and i have my suspisions about your bots levels all in short though im on to you surlan and thanks supplice
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« Reply #65 on: June 19, 2011, 01:31:21 PM »

if you look at that screenshot guys Cat is in the room with me which means it was one of the premade rooms which no one wanted to play in. also it was a 3000 point game cause the match was set to be an hour long. pretty easy to rack up that many points when you are fully upgraded. Now just because 3 people think something is true doesnt make it true. Now if you want to defend your positions in this tourney feel free to come play again. I have a moderator as my witness that  when i did play with supplice ninjasmurf and jkilla that i won every match i was in. I dont want to beat bots to win this tourney i want to play people but if no one wants to play I am going to still get my chance. its not my fault that no one wants to play.
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« Reply #66 on: June 19, 2011, 01:45:34 PM »

Now, Killjoy is excused clearly, because he is busy... But Catherine is running this in his place, and people deserve to know....
Clearly people know its okay to use bots if she told someone in the tournament is was okay? Do not put ANYTHING on catherine she has offered and spent most of her weekend trying to get this going for you guys. I said it before in my rant regarding how you all manage to screw up something so simple as a pre made tournament thats all about having fun.

about this bullshit between surlan supplice and jkilla all im going to say it better stop and now. Surlan is a vistor of this community and the fact 2 active members would treat ANYONE like this is way beyond me. He is here to have fun and attempt to win something.

The rules are based on points.. If you play your heart out against medium bots all night and supply 1029202 screen shots and total your points up and end up having 213928204384 points and winning so what?  She placed the rules back on page 2. Surlan was ALONE and no one even attempted to play with him during this so i told catherine tell him to play bots. ( i may have even mentioned it before i left if no one showed up or not enough people did)

Bottom line the way you guys are treating each other and an event is really upsetting and pissing myself and some others off. This tournament will go on until prob tuesday in which when i get back online ( later tonight) ill take correct actions toward those who need it in regards of all of this.
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« Reply #67 on: June 19, 2011, 01:49:56 PM »

Killjoy said explicitly that playing a game with just medium bots is fine, as long as a player can't find anyone else to play with. I can confirm that Surlan was playing in one of the predesignated rooms as I was in there with him.

It is possible to rack up 3000 points since the games in the server are... an hour long each.

Killjoy and I were trying to find a way to make the tourney as fair as possible. Since everyone has differing timezones, trying to do match ups would be nearly impossible. I also didn't want it to count against individuals who wanted to play the game for longer but couldn't find anyone else to play with.

jkilla, Supplice, I note that you guys are both on TS right now, but you guys aren't playing Plain Sight. Surlan's games are open. You guys can pop into them and see how he's doing or compete against him.
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« Reply #68 on: June 19, 2011, 02:20:45 PM »

I have an idea, why not start over this tourney? Now that I have 5 weeks off, I can be in. And it can be like a 2 hour each day for like 3-4 days. And then have set up times, not a big gap like this. Because then it's meant to just be as it ended up here.
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« Reply #69 on: June 19, 2011, 02:25:32 PM »

jkilla, Supplice, I note that you guys are both on TS right now, but you guys aren't playing Plain Sight. Surlan's games are open. You guys can pop into them and see how he's doing or compete against him.
This goes to Killjoy too, but me and jkilla both told him last night, before the bot thing started, that we'd gladly join if we could get another person or two, because playing with 3 people is boring, especially if it's on large maps. 4-6 people makes it a tad more fun. Now, I know I was asking people if they want to play, but Surlan jumped straight to getting you guys to let him farm bots...

Killjoy, I did not at all mean it in the sense of putting things on Catherine to do, but she did post a clarification thing after the bots came out, and it's kind of unfair to leave out the bit where if there aren't enough people we can play bots. There's only maybe 5 of us that have been active on Teamspeak that know this. There's a lot more people that signed up for the tournament and probably still want to play in it, and this is the first time bots are being mentioned where they notice it. Honestly, I just meant that it's unfair for everyone else, that's all. I didn't mean to say, "Go do this, Catherine." so I'm sorry if it seemed like I was saying that.

We're just very sad face and angry face at the same time. I know I worked hard to get my points up against these guys. It was like 404 if you count the Plain Sight points, at 26 with how Catherine mentioned it, or something like that. Then this guy comes up, gets 3244 in ONE game (Hour long or not...), and in a few 10 minute games had well over 26 (going by Catherine's method, as I will call it, because I am confused.)

Killjoy, I really did try to stop this before escalation, I was trying to calm down jkilla, I even got him to come play AVA. We just were mad and tried venting in private, but it is hard to calm down a person who sees in red. It helps a lot if the other party tries avoiding said person.

Now, the point based thing, that's what I thought it was first, but then Catherine said 1st place got 5 points, 2nd got 3, and 3rd got 1. So, I'm confused.. Do you total up our Plain Sight points, or what place we're in? And so what? Bots are easy to beat, especially on Easy or Medium.. Hard is closest it gets to even with players.

As for upsetting you Killjoy, I am sorry for that as well, I just thought it kind of lame and unfair to let someone use bots later in the night when 6 of us only had people to deal with... And tournaments don't have bots in them anyway. Bots do not have thoughts, emotions, real intelligence, or real reflex. They don't simulate people at all, they just suck, really. I don't think anyone would of been upset if it had been known before the tournament started. I think it would of been A LOT more fun when there were 6 of us if we had 4 bots. It would have helped the guys that were newer to the game, fighting things at a more even area with them rather than guys who had been playing for awhile. Just be empathetic with us, Killjoy. If you were participating in a tournament another had organized, and they decided mid-way through it was okay to use bots, and only told one guy on TS, which later became known to a couple others on TS that were also participating, one being you, wouldn't you be upset? Especially if you used Hard bots to warm-up and knew Medium bots weren't very good?
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« Reply #70 on: June 19, 2011, 03:55:54 PM »

At the end of each game, it doesn't matter if you have 4000 points or 30. If you have the most points from that round, you get 5 points. Second place 3, etc.
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« Reply #71 on: June 21, 2011, 07:59:53 PM »

Thank you to those who played and did things according to plans. We plan on doing another plain sight event next month which we hope will go alot smoother..

Those who played please upload screen shots here so we can deem a winner.
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« Reply #72 on: June 21, 2011, 10:11:26 PM »

Thank you to those who played and did things according to plans. We plan on doing another plain sight event next month which we hope will go alot smoother..

Those who played please upload screen shots here so we can deem a winner.

I played for fun, I didnt screen cap so I didn't win lol
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« Reply #73 on: June 22, 2011, 08:27:29 AM »

All of my screenshots are on my public screenshots on steam. Do you want them posted here too?
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« Reply #74 on: June 22, 2011, 10:09:56 AM »

All of my screenshots are on my public screenshots on steam. Do you want them posted here too?
Yeah dude. Quote from KillJoy - "Those who played please upload screen shots here so we can deem a winner."
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« Reply #75 on: June 22, 2011, 02:23:46 PM »

here is my screenshots expect about 4 posts of them.....
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« Reply #76 on: June 22, 2011, 02:24:21 PM »

next set.....
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« Reply #77 on: June 22, 2011, 02:25:56 PM »

and again.....
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« Reply #78 on: June 22, 2011, 02:27:18 PM »

and yet again......
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« Reply #79 on: June 22, 2011, 02:28:07 PM »

and final.
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